141 – Shop Journal #2

Video - March 19, 2011

After I posted the previous Shop Journal entry, there was about two weeks of post-construction inactivity. Essentially, this was the calm before the storm. I had just a couple of days to move some smaller items into the new space before the movers came for the big power tools. The move itself went well, with the exception of one near-mishap, which I happened to get footage of.

Now that the tools are in place, its time to start getting the place ready for some sawdust-slingin’ action! I hope you enjoy this insider’s look into my shop move.

Just a quick technical note. This video was shot entirely on my little Flip Cam. You’ll notice a much “shakier” presentation than normal. But its the small form factor that allowed me to get this footage in the first place. So hopefully it won’t be too distracting.

Want to have fun with my SketchUp Shop Drawing? Download it here!

Discussion

Matthew Hills March 19, 2011 9:00 am

Love the woodpile juggle.

And looking forwards to the lumber rack build. What style are you thinking of building?

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- thewoodwhisperer March 19, 2011 9:59 am
  
  Most likely a wall-mounted unit with solid wood storage above and a horizontal ply storage with a hinge and wheels that pivots out into the shop for easy loading/unloading.
  
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Lori March 19, 2011 9:24 am

Oh gosh…the dreaded move o_O Your video made it look doable though. Lots of work you’ve been doing Marc, but it’s coming along really great!!! I like the idea of putting the jointer next to the TS…I think I might give that shot when rearranging my shop. I also really like the T-panels…I’ve seen that in your shop before, but I think it would be a nice bright finish to my dull darker shop. Great job and NICE save on that table saw…my heart skipped a beat for you!!! Can’t wait to see the next videos, looking forward to them. Thanks for bringing us along on your moving adventure.

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DerekL March 19, 2011 9:55 am

Let’s hope having a commute doesn’t turn this into a job! :)

Plus you need to get hoppin’ on that lumber rack, that’s the next step in my (endless) shop remodeling (going on for nearly a year now), and I want to “emulate” yours. :)

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- thewoodwhisperer March 19, 2011 9:58 am
  
  haha, was this ever not a job? Can’t remember….:)
  
  The lumber rack will be done fairly soon. After all, I need it! :)
  
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MikeM March 19, 2011 10:58 am

Congrats on the successful move! How long did it take you to start breathing again after the table saw was safely loaded up?

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Dave Manley March 19, 2011 11:03 am

Mark, I am going through a similar process. Just out of curriosity what are the dimensions of your shop? Or how many square feet do you have for the shop. I am enjoying watching your process. My shop is 32×32 but I am still trying to come up with a layout that will utilize the best work flow. I want to be as efficient as I can. Seeing how your are doing it is helpful.

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Rene March 19, 2011 11:33 am

Hey Marc,

Great looking shop.
You mentioned the William Ng school. Next time you’re in the L.A area drop by Cerritos College (where William attended) and check out their shop and program. Really cool stuff.

http://cms.cerritos.edu/woodworking/

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Gerry March 19, 2011 12:37 pm

Hey Marc,

Thanks for sharing this, as I for one allways have issues with my shop layout. This is a GREAT incentive to rethink the shop layout and do something about it. See you in AZ!!!

Gerry

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james March 19, 2011 12:59 pm

boy o boy did i get into a false sense of security just before the table saw discovered gravity :0…. when u said just before the clip “this moving company is much better than the last one you used” and then said they were using the same lifting technique as the last company I was honestly expecting a demonstration of how to correctly move huge tools.

So u can imagine my face then i saw the table saw beginning to tilt :) i found myself shouting at the monitor “!!%$&*”! its falling”. You where very lucking there were a few people around that thing because I know how hard it is to stop very heavy things from tippling over.

best of luck getting everything else set up and look forward to seeing some new videos in the new shop :)

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Aaron B (Dalsaw) March 19, 2011 2:01 pm

That saw tipping, brings back bad memories of when the PM2000 I had fell off of my truck while me and my dad were moving it. Anyway great vid Marc I love seeing the shop videos.

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shotgunn March 19, 2011 3:48 pm

Dude, I don’t know how they managed to stop the TS from falling. My heart started racing all the way from Chicago. Whheeeeeewwww!!! I also like the jointer next to the TS idea. I would surely do that but I cannot sacrifice the table space on my TS. My jointer is a wee bit too high.

Anyway, things are looking good. It’s woodworking season for me again. Now I just need some projects to keep me busy.

shotgunn

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Barecycles March 19, 2011 3:53 pm

I’m enjoying watching the move unfold…hope it all goes well. By the way, nice camera work. Shades of Steve Ramsey!!

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Ben H March 19, 2011 4:03 pm

Dude….that Flip cam produces some darn good quality. Is that the one you bought before CIncy last year?

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- thewoodwhisperer March 19, 2011 5:05 pm
  
  yuppers!
  
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  - Ben H March 19, 2011 5:40 pm
    
    Which model?
    
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    - thewoodwhisperer March 19, 2011 7:58 pm
      
      I believe its the UltraHD.
Scott March 19, 2011 7:07 pm

The nook looks quite promising. I’m rebuilding my shop at the moment also. So I “emulated” your sketch up model from your first video. I think it is going to work fantastic for me. Mostly because I don’t have the sheer volume of BIG tools. Thanks for the videos they are a huge help.

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mark williams March 19, 2011 10:32 pm

What a pain in the a*&. I just spent all day breaking down my shop. It was overrun with household stuff! Needed ti unbury it! Plus i am moving 1500mi in a few weeks!

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Vic Hubbard March 20, 2011 8:33 am

I feel so inadequate!! Man, I’ve been building on this shop for WAY too long. The set up looks like it will have a very good flow. Well, now that I’ve got a bit of fresh inspiration, I’d best get some more shop trim put up!!

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eddy crutcher March 20, 2011 9:08 am

reminds me of the move out here to phoenix from southern calif. was me the wife and a rider truck talk about crazy i went the opposite of you went from 1200 square feet of shop to a small 2 car garage looks like you should be cutting wood soon.
see you at the aafw meeting next month

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Germain March 20, 2011 11:55 am

I’m looking forward to seeing you work in your “old” shop again, Marc. Boy, this has been quite a journey for you. And I’ve really enjoyed watching you live it over the past several years. Why, it seems like just yesterday when I first found your video about purchasing lumber. I’ve been hooked ever since.

Oh, and it was really cool to see a few, brief Nicole cameos again.

Hang tough!

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Eric DeFratis March 20, 2011 12:06 pm

Will you be building a new assembly/torsion box table or were you able to move the one you recently built into the “new” shop?

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- thewoodwhisperer March 20, 2011 2:46 pm
  
  I will definitely have to build a new one. We’ll call it version 2. :)
  
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  - Eric DeFratis March 21, 2011 2:03 pm
    
    Cool. Will you be filming another episode of it’s construction or should I refer to both episodes 18 and 19. I ask because I am planning on building a smaller version for my shop and want to get as many notes as possible. My shop is 24′ x 24′ and room is a premium. Thanks.
    
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    - thewoodwhisperer March 21, 2011 2:44 pm
      
      I honestly don’t know yet. I might just do a quick video showing the modifications and changes from the previous plan.
lynxsg March 20, 2011 2:13 pm

The shop is now smaller than it was when you first used it?

I watched the video of the near disaster of tablesaw ‘topple”! The reason it didn’t fall … … … is that I was on my feet in a split second to help steady it!!!

Steve

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- thewoodwhisperer March 20, 2011 2:45 pm
  
  Yes, by one garage bay.
  
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ROBERT LADDUSAW March 20, 2011 2:32 pm

hope you dont have be ther to long and you can sale the house and get you shop you want and need

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- thewoodwhisperer March 20, 2011 2:45 pm
  
  I think you may have missed the first part of this series Robert. The house isn’t even on the market anymore. That’s why I’m putting so much effort into making this shop be exactly what I need. I’m in it for the long haul now.
  
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DonJoe March 20, 2011 6:45 pm

Hi Marc, Have been following you from when you were in this space before. It’s interesting watching the actual move back in and seeing the layout you are now trying to achieve. Deja vu when I see the old dust shute hole next to the big door. Familiar but better this time. Best of luck in the final layout. Ready to see some sawdust fly.

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Jacob March 20, 2011 6:53 pm

Marc,

Great video, can’t wait to see the plywood storage build

If I join “the guild” can I access all the old guild builds?

Was that a Festool CMS in your video? 1.30 into the video

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- thewoodwhisperer March 20, 2011 8:08 pm
  
  Hi Jacob. Yes and yes. :)
  
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  - Jason March 21, 2011 6:48 am
    
    Hey Mark, what do you think of the CMS? I do site work, and was looking at picking one up across the pond and using it with the TS75 and 2200. I’m limited to a two-car garage at home, and was wondering if it could possibly serve additional duty as a shop router table instead of a dedicated table with a big router + lift.
    
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    - thewoodwhisperer March 21, 2011 8:17 am
      
      I haven’t had much time to use it yet, but I think it would excel at what you need. Fairly light and portable, but pretty much all the functionality you would need in a stationary router table. I’ll report back when I know more.
Germain March 20, 2011 8:13 pm

It’s deja vu all over again!

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Thiel March 20, 2011 8:54 pm

Dude… that is a lot of Festool vacs to own. I would think you’d be afraid of creating some sort of singularity in there with all that suction!

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Jacob March 21, 2011 4:52 am

How and when did you get the CMS?

Is Festool planning on selling them in the states soon?

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- thewoodwhisperer March 21, 2011 8:16 am
  
  I have friends in high places. ;) I don’t know how close they are to selling them in the states, unfortunately.
  
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brynietite March 21, 2011 5:02 am

The moving company name reminded me of this guy…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....detailpage

In case any woodworkers need their excess tools stored somewhere…

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- thewoodwhisperer March 21, 2011 8:15 am
  
  haha, I love the fact that they are both “Jones”.
  
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John March 21, 2011 7:42 am

I love the video. The Flip is a great little tool, especially for those who are just getting started.

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Jacek March 21, 2011 7:48 am

Uuuffffff…. Im glad that the table saw is safe, great action video Marc. :))))

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kentuckybill March 21, 2011 8:27 am

Thanks for the update Marc, we all are very interested in the big move and look foward to more old/new shop videos, and everyone needs a new wood rack. PS, I even jumped toward the saw when it was slipping:)

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Travis March 21, 2011 11:00 am

Holy Crap. I just caught my breath from the table saw fiasco. You reallyd didnt need to show that. Its every woodworkers worst nightmare.

I will be moving my shop next weekend as luck has it. About 40 miles to our new house. I have a Grizzly Cabinet saw, an 8″ jointer, same powermatic planer, 3 hp shaper, Jet 18″ bandsaw, dust collector, and a trim moulder to move. Got all the small stuff already but this is the part Im dreading. My father luckely has a lift gate truck and all my tools are on wheels but its still nerve racking.

I have one questions though. What guage wire do you run for your 220? I ran 8 guage at the last shop but my builder says thats overkill and we only need to use 10 guage. What do you think?

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- thewoodwhisperer March 21, 2011 12:02 pm
  
  Most folks “in the know” recommend 10 gauge for 30 amp and 12 gauge for 20 amp. That’s what I did.
  
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  - Travis March 21, 2011 12:09 pm
    
    Cool. Thanks for the info. Thats really good to know. Sounds like I was just being a nervous Nancy. :P.
    
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    - Alan Bienlein March 21, 2011 2:56 pm
      
      Looking good Marc! Have you thought about the layout of your ductwork for the dust collection?
Chris March 21, 2011 9:27 pm

I don’t know why but until now I never realized how many of your machines were Powermatic (heck, you even mention Powermatic at the beginning of your videos and I never caught on) I guess it’s just more noticeable when you’ve got them all corralled there in the corner. That jet spindle sander sticks out like a sore thumb… a very useful, expensive, beautiful sore thumb. And even though it was a flip cam the quality was great… kept waiting for the Blair Witch spoof, probably just too busy for such foolishness :)

p.s., Colin Hay rulz!

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Cliff Merrill March 22, 2011 12:02 am

Hey Marc,
Congrats on the move. Bet your both relieved, excited, and overwhelmed.

We’ll all be sending our shopping warming gifts soon. :)

I realized after watching it a story about my uncle way back before the sketchup days. He had a successful diesel generator biz for the oil fields in west Texas that he expanded into Oklahoma. He measured all the tools and numbered em’, flew to the new site and chalked out placement on the new shop floor.
Flew back to Texas, had movers load it up and haul it 800 miles and setup. Move by numbers. We’ve come a long way, huh?

I’m flying home to Texas tomm to see the folks and you gave me a few ideas. I have a brother that is mentally handicapped that still lives at home. Parents built him a 20×30 shop for Christmas and he wants me to build him a workbench while I’m there. That tongue and groove paneling might be a big bonus. He loves hammering nails all day long so that might be just the ticket.

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Heath March 22, 2011 8:47 am

I see you took some camera tips from Steve Ramsey (Woodworking For Mere Mortals)! You just need a little more caffeine. LOL

We moved about 6 months ago and I’m finally about to build my new shop, so I’ve enjoyed following your move and your planning. I’m looking forward to your future videos (as always).

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Jason Tetterton March 22, 2011 8:26 pm

Marc, great video series! The new (old) shop is coming together nicely. I’m sure your wife is very happy to once again be able to park inside!

Thanks for all you do, and have done!

Jason

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Tom machin March 23, 2011 1:54 am

Hi Marc. Very Interesting video . Having done similar myself I feel you pain! I wish we could get such great tools and extraction over the pond in the UK .Are you having to make another hole in the wall for your extractor? Tom

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- thewoodwhisperer March 23, 2011 7:40 am
  
  yup. In fact, I cut the hole yesterday and patched the old one up.
  
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RPS March 23, 2011 9:34 am

In the video, you mention that you use Harbor Freight’s engine hoist to move your tools around solo. How does that work when moving the cabinet saw? Are the long base legs with the casters sufficiently wide to fit on either side of a cabinet saw?

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- thewoodwhisperer March 23, 2011 3:51 pm
  
  I just lift the extension wing off the ground by about 1/8″. Thats enough to make the whole thing fairly mobile with the built-in casters extended.
  
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Mark G March 23, 2011 2:08 pm

Marc – I always enjoy your shop videos, though I have to admit this one, using the flip cam, made me a little nauseous… I felt like I was watching one of our home videos, which always make me nauseous. I can honestly say for the first time in my life I was sick of thinking about woodworking!!

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- thewoodwhisperer March 23, 2011 3:48 pm
  
  Hey I tried to warn ya!
  
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Bobbie March 26, 2011 8:16 am

OMG for the table saw tipping…I am glad no one was hurt.

I also wanted to take a moment to send along a thank you for sharing what you do and how you do it.

I am interested in a little more information about the 230/20amp circuit described in the video.

Is the circuit a single 230v/20amp circuit with the expectation that you will be using only one device at a time?

The reason behind the question; you motivated me to reorganize the shop. One of its issues is lack of 230v outlets.

The shop reorganization began with the installation of a subpanel. I was proud its installation passed inspection. Now I am planning the layout for the 230v circuits.

Thanks again for taking the time to share what you do.

Best regards,
Bobbie Beverly….

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- thewoodwhisperer March 26, 2011 9:05 am
  
  You are correct Bobbie. The multi-outlet circuits will only have one tool running at a time. That’s why the Cyclone is on its own dedicated circuit. Everything else is on a shared circuit. Obviously, if you have more than one person working in your shop at a time, this setup might not work out.
  
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John March 27, 2011 3:18 pm

Hey Marc! I am really looking forward to a lumber storage video!!! Congrats on the move, the new old place looks good!

John

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Joaquin Luna April 1, 2011 10:44 am

Hello, Marc: What a lot work!!! But moving it

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Slasher June 29, 2011 9:13 am

Hi
Do you have both 110 and 220 Volts in USA? What voltage do you have on your 3-phase system? I live in Europe and we have 220 (well 230 to be exact) and 400 Volt.

Those movers didnt look so professional to be honest. Only running shoes while moving heavy equipment?

Keep it up Marc, love your show!

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- thewoodwhisperer June 29, 2011 9:37 am
  
  I’m not electrical pro so this is just off the top of my head. We do have 110 and 220 but if I’m not mistaken, these are not accurate. Its more like 120 and 240 but most folks just say “110 and 220”. Three phase should be 440v and requires a special hookup beyond what most small home shops are willing to do.
  
  And I don’t care if the movers arrived in their undewear and slippers, as long as they move my tools without messing them up, lol.
  
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Mad Hungarian October 25, 2011 1:45 pm

Oooohhh, seeing your location there, i’m lusting after it. Not just the woodshop, though that’d be nice too, but the starwatching. And wouldn’t that garage be a great place to store one of these: http://www.obsessiontelescopes...../index.php ???

You sure the place isn’t for sale? Oh well, one can always dream, can’t one? But in the meantime, jobs and family rear their ugly heads.

-The unhappy astronomer in the cloudy northwest.

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Ryan November 20, 2011 7:12 pm

Great video, one of many. And WOW do you have some nice machinery! I have never seen a shop with so many Powermatic tools. Are you sponsored by them or just really well off?

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- thewoodwhisperer November 21, 2011 8:34 am
  
  The answer to your question lies in the first 3 seconds of the video. :)
  
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Mersenne April 15, 2013 10:35 am

At the point where the TableSaw almost bites the bitumen – my heart skipped a beat, I tensed up and moved towards the cmputer screen. Feel stoo-pid – but funny.

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