Top 10 Questions That Would Get Me Kicked Off a Construction Site

Article - July 24, 2012

As I watch my new shop come to life, I am repeatedly reminded of why I would be useless on a construction site. After making furniture for over ten years, my perspective is completely skewed. The things we tend to worry about in a wood shop are almost laughable to a construction crew. Perfectly straight boards? Thousandths of an inch? HA! Keep dreaming. These guys would have a whole wall up by the time I have my first 2×4 jointed and planed. So this revelation inspired me to come up with the top 10 questions that would get me kicked off a construction site…… immediately.

1 – Does this pink half-mask respirator make my face look fat?
2 – Are you seriously going to make that circular saw cut with no guide?
3 – My .5mm pencil keeps breaking while marking for these studs, can I borrow yours?
4 – Did anyone bring a jointer so I can straighten out this 2×4?
5 – You do realize that’s an end-grain to long-grain joint, right?
6 – I brought my nail gun from home. 18 gauge should be OK, right?
7 – Sheesh, don’t people make houses WITHOUT metal fasteners anymore?!?!
8 – Seriously?! No glue on that joint?!
9 – Don’t these guys know that cabinet-grade plywood holds up better than OSB?!?!
10 – Are you kidding me? No WiFi?!?!

There are so many more I could come up with. So what would get you kicked off a construction site?

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MikeD July 24, 2012 6:35 am

Sounds like you are bored. Go sweep the floors or something.

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J.D. July 24, 2012 6:47 am

11. Isn’t it better to pre-stain and finish that ?

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Jerry Martin July 24, 2012 6:47 am

Hey, what kind of finish are you going to use on those studs?

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TerryMcK July 24, 2012 6:48 am

LOL
The picture of you with all the safety gear on would make your contractors laugh too. I noticed that none of the guys were wearing safety helmets when they were putting your new shop framework and trusses up. One guy was even wearing tennis shoes. Not much help when a hammer drops on his foot if the guy up top loses grip.
One sight of you in your Darth Vader outfit must have had them creased up. You could show them all the safety week videos and educate them.

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- thewoodwhisperer July 24, 2012 7:00 am
  
  You should see the guy out there using his foot as a sawhorse while he free-hand cuts a 2×4. :)
  
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  - Vic Hubbard July 24, 2012 10:01 pm
    
    That’s how you cut studs to length. It’s also why I prefer a worm drive Skil saw for framing.
    
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    - David Haniquet July 27, 2012 6:59 am
      
      too heavy vic……….The 15 amp saws they make today are more than sufficient.
  - David Haniquet July 27, 2012 6:58 am
    
    That is the way it’s done.
    
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    - Murdock July 29, 2012 5:56 pm
      
      Too heavy?? never heard of such a thing. Now that comment would get you kicked off site
  - David Haniquet July 27, 2012 7:00 am
    
    Marc,
    
    Go ask them if they have the sky hook, right handed screws or the wood stretcher.
    
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jeff_williams July 24, 2012 6:50 am

You are going to use that table saw with the stock blade? You’re not even going to level it? Where’s your outfeed table?

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Rick Roades July 24, 2012 7:27 am

Hey guys – here are the plugs for the nail and screw holes! Make sure the grain is lined up!

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Texfire July 24, 2012 7:28 am

Don’t you follow measure twice, cut once?

Sure it’s functional, but what about aesthetics?

Hey! Look at the cathedral in that grain. We should reverse that 2×4 so it showcases it.

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- Murdock July 29, 2012 6:09 pm
  
  Ha ha I cut it twice and its still to short
  
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runningwood July 24, 2012 7:29 am

Pins first or tails ?

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- Ben July 24, 2012 7:56 am
  
  Hahaha….”Do you guys want to borrow my dovetail jig?!?”
  
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Rick Roades July 24, 2012 7:30 am

Wait … I thought we were doing this Greene & Greene . . .

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Bob Daniel July 24, 2012 7:36 am

I worked on a framing crew for a brief period in the Seventies. Steel-toed boots were mandatory, but everything else was pretty loosy-goosey as far as safety or training. Using your foot to hold a board off the ground while you cut it to length with the circ saw was pretty standard, and surprisingly efficient. More precision cuts like notching for rafters were above my pay grade… B-)

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- Rick Roades July 24, 2012 8:04 am
  
  I worked for a framing crew in the 70’s, too, but nothing was mandatory. Most guys wore boots to help protect from stepping on a nail, but that was it. It was residential – homes – and NOTHING was union except the big commercial buildings, so the rules were what the contractor wanted his guys to follow.
  
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Ben July 24, 2012 7:49 am

So, how many coats of poly are you putting on this thing????

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Mark Loughran July 24, 2012 7:50 am

Hi Marc
Love the gear!!! Here’s my questions:

I have this little splinter in my pinkie. Could you kindly direct me to the first-aid station?

After I have raised the grain, should I sand this 2 x 4 to 600 grit, or would steel wool be better?

What do you mean, you don’t sign your work?

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LordLQQK July 24, 2012 7:51 am

If softwood expands and contracts so much why don’t we use quarter sawn white oak?

You know if you fill that joint in with a little epoxy and saw dust the gaps will be less noticeable.

WHAT?!?!? I can’t hear you over the osilating spindle sander!

MOVIE STEAL: So are you going to wire that for 120? Sure 120, 121, whatever it takes.

You know the Amish would have been done by now!

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- Pinto July 31, 2012 11:35 am
  
  I applaud the “Mr. Mom” reference. Nicely done!
  
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- Bill B November 13, 2016 12:51 pm
  
  If memory serves, the line was 220 and not 120. What a great movie!
  
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eric heine July 24, 2012 7:57 am

“Do you need my hand plane to help clean up that framing joint? Fingers are the best way to feel for flush….”

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Zane clark July 24, 2012 8:04 am

yo, are you going to use a dust collector on that?

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Ben July 24, 2012 8:06 am

Cool Nailgun bro. Does Festool make one of those???

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Rick Roades July 24, 2012 8:07 am

I thought we were going to dovetail the corners, and try to do a “wrap-around” grain!!

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Ron July 24, 2012 8:08 am

Hey Boss……….Hand me my bisquit joiner.

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- Martijn July 24, 2012 1:28 pm
  
  if you really want to be kicked off a constuction site, check every corner for square, every wall with a level, and if your walls will be finished with a decorative plaster; floodlight it with a fluorescent lamp.
  
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tom buhl July 24, 2012 8:22 am

Did the SawStop guy tell you to make the rip cut that way, so you’ll qualify for a big judgement when you lose your hand?

Ouch, sorry, semi-political there.

Another one, you guys, just had a break.

As I was showing off my NEW (to me) PM2000, he asked why I only went with a 10″ blade model. He regularly works with fat beams and thought I’d be disappointed with the shallow depth of cut. Yes, at times, but…

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Dan R July 24, 2012 8:29 am

Call me old school, but the folding rule just hasn’t been improved upon. I can get 6′ out of that puppy, too – without any indexing marks!

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Zane clark July 24, 2012 8:37 am

dad gum joe that shirt with those shoes? what were you thinking?

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Darrel July 24, 2012 8:53 am

So the walls are up. So you’re about done, right?

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Tom Pritchard July 24, 2012 8:56 am

I work in a tool and die shop. Working with tight toleranc’e, sometimes I have to remember that framing don’t have to be that tight.

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Brian Schmid July 24, 2012 8:59 am

Ok, now sand the whole thing to 220.

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Claude Stewart July 24, 2012 9:06 am

Could you move that wall over? This building is out of square by a 1/2 in.

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Ross Henton July 24, 2012 9:12 am

Wait… We have to make three of these? I know a great jig we can build for that!

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Alex Compiani July 24, 2012 9:31 am

…are you sure that’s square?

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Joe Dillon July 24, 2012 9:36 am

Hi there.
I’m maybe gonna start something here but my comments are simply my experience as a carpenter on site both residential and commercial for over 20 years.
Wood workers and shop joiners work in a wired world of exacting exactness that carpenters never experience. Nothing on site is ever straight or square and producing an end product of high quality takes an inordinate amount of skill.
Having worked with shop joiners that had been sent on site because the shop was slow I can certify that most of them could never cut it on site.
Conversly most skilled site carpenters would easily
Cope in most workshops. hope this hasn’t been too controvisal .
Regards
Joe the Joiner

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- thewoodwhisperer July 24, 2012 9:54 am
  
  I don’t know. I think that pendulum swings both ways. I think both parties are just as likely to have trouble in the other environment. That said, if truly skilled and given a fair shot, I doubt either party would have difficulty adjusting and could very well thrive in each other’s environment.
  
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  - Jeff C July 24, 2012 10:31 am
    
    I think there’s definitely a good middle-ground. I had the pleasure of working with a very exacting carpenter (check him out here: http://www.soundfeelings.com/dr_wood.htm) who showed me how precise framing, and the like, could really be. He exhibited the same careful attention to detail that joiners typically have and worked with amazing speed. Even though it all gets covered, it was really amazing to see plum, square wall framing that looked good. That level of quality is reassuring and encouraged me to strive for perfection not only in cabinet-making, but in all aspects of wood crafts.
    
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  - Charles Hicks July 24, 2012 4:03 pm
    
    I was trained to frame and do finish work. I love working in my shop but the truth is i love the opportunity to be a 1/8″ off here or there without consequence. At the same time because I was trained finish first I know what pisses me off when I have to set a door. So this gives me a view that most framers don’t have. I can still move at their pace but with better quality. Framing in CA also you will see guys wearing their safety gear thats for sure. No one wants to pay that fine.
    
    -Chuck
    
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  - David Haniquet July 27, 2012 7:10 am
    
    I am a professional framer for 20 years and have had my own company since 1998 and I am also a amateur woodworker with about 1.5 years experience. The hardest transition is work flow, understanding that the project does not have to be done today, work flow is an adjustment. I find myself always wanting to jump ahead in woodworking, when what I really need to do is slow down to speeed things up. Finesse is also a big adjustment. to push a wall to make it plumb takes a fairly strong shove to moe a “ch” , and if you don’t know what a ch is ask someone I will not define on here. Where as in wood working many times a manipulation of a part would just as well be done by a mouse. Shifting gears from move move move of framing to slow of woodworking is tough and again the muscle memory of how hard you manipulate things. Both would fair well in each others environment if they are good at what they do and understand the most important set of skills lies in its fundamentals. With a strong and particular set of fundamentals anything can be figured out.
    
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    - Bob Natsch August 15, 2012 9:14 am
      
      Be more precise man! What color ch. LOL
pagel July 24, 2012 9:51 am

Where should I put my Roubo?

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Mark Loughran July 24, 2012 10:11 am

What, you want me to use that circular saw? Sorry, but I am hand tools only!!

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Dan R July 24, 2012 10:13 am

I agree Marc; the point of all these tongue-in-cheek comments is to show that the two are really just different worlds. If anything, these comments are poking fun of ourselves as woodworkers. No one would dispute that there’s skill involved in carpentry – especially when working in existing spaces, as Joe points out. Tolerances shouldn’t be compared, neither should speed of production – it just makes for a funny juxtaposition. This thread has been pretty funny to read – thanks!

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tom buhl July 24, 2012 10:21 am

I sure have respect for those who can work with pre-existing conditions of the real world.
Also, would hate to pay someone else a living wage to work as slow as I do.

Having done a bit of DIY of the construction type, it sure is a different world, when you can drive another screw or nail to tighten a fit.

Even my fine work has plenty of flaws despite all the fussing. But the goal is tight tolerances and high quality. Someone working in the building trades goal is to do good work, within the time and budget allowed.

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james July 24, 2012 10:26 am

cut which side of teh pencil line? or does it really matter

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Randy Allaway July 24, 2012 10:31 am

Board stretcher? Toenails? Does Lee Valley sell those?

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- Brian Schmid July 24, 2012 1:16 pm
  
  HAHA That made me laugh out loud, Randy.
  
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  - Randy Allaway July 30, 2012 7:31 am
    
    Y’know, at this point I wouldn’t be surprised if Lee Valley actually sold either of those items. :)
    
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The Box Store Craftsman July 24, 2012 10:38 am

Where is your pattern and double stick tape?

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Ben July 24, 2012 10:40 am

So, what are we using to frame this shed?? (8/4)x(12/4) ‘s???….

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- Ben July 24, 2012 10:41 am
  
  Can you give me that measurement in Board Feet?
  
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scott sandine July 24, 2012 11:05 am

Are you going to hand or power plane the walls flat?

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pagel July 24, 2012 11:17 am

Marc, any chance of rigging a live feed for the interior of the shop as it shapes up?

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- thewoodwhisperer July 24, 2012 11:18 am
  
  Maybe. Still trying to figure out how to do it so that my stuff isn’t in the way and doesn’t get damaged.
  
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  - Jeff July 25, 2012 1:32 pm
    
    You could try mounting an inexpensive webcam in a small, lexan box in the corner of the shop and hook it to a dedicated computer (maybe even a cheap netbook inside the lexan box). This should keep any dust-related issues at bay and protect the setup from any possible flying objects.
    
    It’s what I would do in my shop, if I had the motivation.
    
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Joe Dillon July 24, 2012 11:20 am

Who has my no.5 countersink bit? These studs aint gonna screww themselves together!

In retrospect my earlier comment was one sided. I have immense respect for woodworkers and what they produce. I’ve learnt a lot from woodworking sites, magazines and program’s and often apply what I’ve learnt to produce the best product I can.
Although we use essentially the same materials and tools carpentry and woodworking are chalk and cheese and shouldn’t really be compared. I hope i have brought abit of balance to my outrageous outburst.
Be cool and no you shouldn’t be using a scribing knive to mark that stud!
Regards
Joe the joiner

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- thewoodwhisperer July 24, 2012 11:22 am
  
  awww come on, I spent $75 on it! I need to use it somewhere! ;)
  
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Craig Clemans July 24, 2012 11:35 am

Level maybe, but never square. Marc, promise us you will not go out there with a Starrett combo square. You may not be able to sleep at night. :)

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- thewoodwhisperer July 24, 2012 1:18 pm
  
  I carry one with me at all times. They won’t notice if I just take a quick peek. :)
  
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Jose L. Varela July 24, 2012 11:41 am

The safety in this work is void, here in my country Spain, if these people were employed at my property without, safety measures, anyone can denounce and pay an economic not despicable at all fine already me I do not say to you if there was an accident, enclosedly jail, already I see that USA it is different.

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- Eric July 25, 2012 7:30 am
  
  No regard for safety, and when you get hurt because of it… You can sue for millions!!! It’s the American way!
  
  Serioriously, my job with the government has strict safety procedures, and I am glad. There is no reason not to protect yourself. You get paid either way!
  
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Mike Lingenfelter July 24, 2012 11:58 am

It’s interesting you bring this up. Just this last weekend my neighbor and I were building a short fence and gate between our houses. When we started I was trying to get everything just right. I quickly learned what close enough was! The fence and gate came out just fine, with close enough as a rule.

Mike

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David Gates July 24, 2012 12:31 pm

How about I get out my kapex to cut those studs to length!

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- Roger September 6, 2012 6:15 am
  
  Dont laugh Dave I actually did that! Pulled my kapex out of the shop to frame a big deck in the pouring rain. I cried with every wet cut.
  
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Richard Kresge July 24, 2012 1:16 pm

I use to work with a local home builder in the area a few years ago, needless to say there was too many good looking woman buying homes at the time and i got kicked off the site not once but twice. I think this is the same reason why I’ve been so in tuned watching your shop go up and not doing any wood working myself, I get to distracted.

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Adam Weigand July 24, 2012 1:19 pm

You guys will be trying to steam the dents out of those 2 X 4’s…right?

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Ron July 24, 2012 2:11 pm

They put dents in the 2×4’s!?!?

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Craig Fisher July 24, 2012 2:47 pm

Where should I put my 1080p HD camera to get this on video for my fans?

Would you mind holding the boom mic a little closer so the sound quality is better?

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Jerry S July 24, 2012 3:20 pm

Just last weekend, a buddy and I spent half a day, yes, HALF A DAY, to make a big plywood box. (4) 2×4’s and 2 sheets of ply. We were joking around about this exact topic and how we figured we’ed have been kicked off the jobsite for lack of progress. We were doing this at the house construction site of my friend. We had a blast though. (Wish I had the toys like my buddy.) We used a Kapex to cut the 2x’s to length, the TS55 to cut down the sheets, and a C15 to drive the screws in. Nothing like a couple of nerds playing with power tools. I did have to laugh at myself for the number of times I needed to remind myself “it’s just a plywood box! It’s fine.”

Hey, did they take diagonal measurements across the structure to check for square before setting those trusses?

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- Alex garcia July 31, 2012 8:23 pm
  
  As long as your layout is roughly square and corners are plumb-ish, your trusses lay out fine. Push and pull walls to nail truss on line. It’s a different animal altogether.
  
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Nate July 24, 2012 3:34 pm

I built houses for 16yrs and we measured to the 16th and picked through studs and separated them out into 3 groups and always used the best ones in the kitchen so our counter tops would fit the wall. Now that I build cabinets and furniture I still use down to the 16th and pick through my lumber. Here is a question that would get you kicked off the site. Hey can we rebuild that wall I forgot to hit record on the camera

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S.Wellington July 24, 2012 4:20 pm

It’s funny, I was looking at the video feed the other day and was shocked at how fast everything was going up from last week and thinking the same thing! I love all the comments! they are all sooo true! Thanks for the idea Marc! Fun stuff.

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Jim Abbruzzese July 24, 2012 7:03 pm

Will you tweet pic of me swinging this hammer?

Who’s making a Starbucks run? I want a frappuccino.

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- Charles Hicks July 25, 2012 11:06 pm
  
  I have actually seen that happen on a job site lol.
  
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Joseph D. Cook July 24, 2012 8:09 pm

Before we rig up those saw horses, let me do a quick SketcUp of them to make sure they’ll work out right .

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- jenine March 4, 2013 11:25 pm
  
  totally! I want to make sure it works out in SketchUp as well!
  
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Dan Drabek July 24, 2012 8:28 pm

“A hammer? what’s a hammer?”…”For driving nails? What’s a nail?”

This thread reminds me of a friend of mine who was a master craftsman. To make ends meet, he got a job doing construction work. He was too slow and fussy about his work, and someone said to him “Hey! his isn’t cabinet work!” So he quit and got a job in a cabinet shop–was still too fussy, and someone told him “Hey! this isn’t piano making!” So he quit and built instruments for a living. True story.

DD

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Byrdie July 24, 2012 9:12 pm

“Did you keep the panels loose to allow for seasonal movement?”

I did and do live in both worlds from time to time. Though my fulltime job has nothing to do with woodworking, I both do rough carpentry and fine furniture. I’m slowly trying to build a side business building custom furniture and craft items. I’ve taken some pretty crappy tools (I buy what I can afford and get better as the budget allows) and turned out some pretty fine pieces. At the same time I pay a portion of my horse board by trading out work at the barn, working for a guy who has to be forced to throw a scrap of wood onto the bonfire. I bought a couple of pieces of lumber out of my own pocket and was read the riot act for wasting money. I’ve framed doors into walls for turnout stalls and built new window sashes. At the same time my current project is a dining room table and bench for a commission. I’ve also got a wooden kayak in the works.

No reason you can’t get in to the right brain for the task at hand.

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Ansel July 25, 2012 12:14 am

Honey, look how they’re tossing their Starrett at the construction site. What? What do you mean you lent them mine because they forgot their speed square?

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Barry Walch July 25, 2012 4:42 am

I think you would get kicked off the construction site if you said, “Yes, that’s my Audi, I don’t like to bring my Beamer to places like this.”

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Marco Cano July 25, 2012 8:54 am

Do you have any sushi in you taco truck?

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Chris O’Neil July 25, 2012 7:55 pm

You’re seriously joining those 2X4’s without a Domino?

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Ray July 25, 2012 8:15 pm

What? You don’t pre-drill a pilot hole before screwing that in?

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Ben Erickson July 25, 2012 10:29 pm

Hey Guys, what do you think of my new speedo?!

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Frank July 26, 2012 3:24 am

Just make sure they’re not using the jobsite saw without the fence. I’d hate for it to be known that the next major tablesaw lawsuit originated at the Wood Whisperer’s house.

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Mike July 26, 2012 10:44 am

Aren’t you going to sweep up that mess?

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pagel July 26, 2012 4:08 pm

So what are your thoughts on Chris Becksvoort’s speed tenons? Well, here’s what I think…

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tom July 26, 2012 7:25 pm

here, you can use my tapemeasure, that i borrowed from my wifes sewing kit

why does the x mean thats where the stud goes

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Chris Dennison July 27, 2012 5:50 am

You want me to use this wood? Can’t we wait for it to dry out properly?

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Chris Dennison July 27, 2012 8:37 am

You want me to work in this heat?

You expect me to join wood only with nails?

Aren’t you going to sand that? Someone might get a splinter!

Do you have to swear quite so much? It really won’t get things made any quicker, you know.

Hey guys! Would anyone like to borrow my deodorant?

Oh, so you prefer wood butchery?

I don’t believe it! Did you see that? That guy just hammered a screw in. No pilot hole, no nothing, just hammered it in. Is that the usual quality of workmanship around here?

What’s a nail gun?

I don’t usually get sweaty doing woodwork. Do you?

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Frank July 27, 2012 10:42 am

The foreman ‘s reply to above comments …

You idiot, were not building the replacement for the space shuttle!

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Chris Dennison July 27, 2012 11:41 am

No, I’ve never had a foreman before. My wife usually tells me what to do.

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jim j July 27, 2012 4:35 pm

A carpenter doing work for me frequently cuts 2×6 lumber holding the board in one hand below his waist, unsupported, cutting it with the circular saw he is holding in the other hand.

Makes me REALLLY shudder and cringe, having cut a finger tip with my circular saw once.

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Shawn July 27, 2012 6:56 pm

Wait until the electricians get there. Wouldn’t a hole saw leave a smoother surface in that stud than an auger bit? Those holes through the studs don’t line up exactly, won’t the wire be crooked? You should connect that Hole Hawg up to a dust collection system. Are those boxes going to be flush with the dywall?

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Stanley Denning July 27, 2012 8:00 pm

OK, Bob. I need that 2X4 stud cut to eight feet, three and fifteen thirty-seconds of an inch.

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Andy Nencheck July 28, 2012 8:00 am

Got that done yet?

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Jochem Martens July 30, 2012 2:37 pm

Hi all,

here’s one from Germany:

Can you tell me how much this is in millimeters?

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- Randy Allaway July 31, 2012 8:42 pm
  
  “… the WHATric system?”
  
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Alex garcia July 31, 2012 8:33 pm

Marc! Drop in a line or two of ceiling duplexes for your camera/ lighting positions.

Another idea: a ceiling mounted track out of sliding garage door hardware, and a carriage for camera! Gets all that stuff off the floor! Less tripods. Pantogram arm from and old screw jack for height adjustment.

Just saying…

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- thewoodwhisperer July 31, 2012 8:49 pm
  
  well, I don’t use lights anymore so no need for that. And frankly, the tripod allows me to get the camera right where I need it. There are just too many varied shots in a wood shop to make any sort of track feasible, as nice as it would be.
  
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Bob Natsch August 15, 2012 9:04 am

Just a few gems heard from my job site days from many years ago:

“Just nail it, we ain’t building cabinets!”
“If we set this wall plumb it won’t match the others” ( doing storm and fire rebuilds)
” A two inch gap in the sheetrock? Leave it, tape will cover it”
“Just make a pattern, there’s no need to measure again”
” 57 and a half plus two little marks”
“Cut to the left side of the mark”
“Leave it for the painter”
” The floor drops how much?” (remodeling)

I grew up in the family sheetmetal shop so this stuff was alien to me. You had to be waaaay more precise with sheet metal. Now when my bro’-in-law, who is a very fine finish carpenter comes in my shop and sees the dial calipers and the 1/1000″ measurement incra tools he just scratches his head. But still, our work is only as good as we are determined to make it, no matter which craft we choose; or how precise we measure.

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luke September 30, 2012 1:55 pm

that made me laugh. hard.

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Dan Anderson January 3, 2014 6:02 pm

“it looks good from my house/easy chair”.

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