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As just about any woodworker will tell you, your first trip to a hardwood dealer can be quite intimidating. I can honestly say that my first trip was not only intimidating, but confusing and frustrating as well. Poor signage, no prices, and an impatient staff served to make the whole experience less than enjoyable for a woodworking noob. I know I’m not alone here. In this video, I will cover some terminology and topics that will help you be better prepared for your next trip to the lumber yard. Just a few of the topics covered include identifying different types of cuts, estimating board feet, and finding a good hardwood supplier.
Update (9/4/10): Sometimes when I watch these early episodes, I have to laugh at the delivery of my monologues. Not sure why I needed to say things like, “Wood Whisperer…..Video….Podcast…..” I guess I really wanted to make each word count. Anyway, years after posting this video, I still have the same feeling about lumber dealers. Each one seems to have its own system and rules. And I hear from countless woodworkers across the country who feel the same way about the lumber dealers in their area. I guess its just the nature of the beast. But once you have a little confidence in what you’re looking for and you shop at a particular store once or twice, its no longer an intimidating experience and you know the drill. Hopefully this video prepared some of you for that first experience. And if not, I hope it at least made you laugh. I think this marks the first of many instances where I would have to *bleep* Nicole on the show. Notice that I couldn’t even find a good censorship bleep sound effect so I had to make it with my own voice? That’s just the kind of high budget operation we run around here. haha!
Oh and if you are looking for a great way to calculate board feet on the fly, check out the Wood Shop Widget!
40 Responses to “4 – A Lumbering Feeling”
Hey, Just wanted to let you know I sure do enjoy your podcast. I’m new at this stuff and I really needed “A Lumbering Feeling”.
Lots of good info…and a hot chick who uses the “F” word. What more could you want? ;-)
Keep it up,
Thanks…Sam (NoTalentRookie)
Do you recommend any books on wood types? (Something that has good images of different types of wood along with information, such as ‘often used in mission style furniture’)
One book that I like alot is The Real Wood Bible. You can find it in The Wood Whisperer Store.
http://astore.amazon.com/thewo.....16-8524845
I actually planned on featuring this book in our Holiday Gift Guide, but had to cut it out because of time issues. But the book is an excellent reference and contains hundreds of color photos as well as descriptions and other information.
Check it out.
Marc
Thank you for such a quick response! Do you get credit if we purchase from the “new or used available” books (books that aren’t actually shipped by Amazon)?
Thats a very good question. I would guess that anything purchased under Amazon’s umbrella would count as a referral. I should email them to find out for sure. Thanks for bringing that up.
Marc
I’m going to hold off purchasing until I know (I want you to get the referal credit). :-)
I just looked at all the fine print and it seems that third party vendors and sellers are treated the same as regular Amazon products. So it looks like you have the green light. I really appreciate you helping out the show. Take care.
Marc
itscool
Hey, just found this site. Great video. I’ll definitely be back.
Great information Marc. I also use a web site called woodfinder.com. Simply enter what kind of wood you looking for and how many miles you want to travel from your zip code. It will show all the places available to you.
Hey Marc,
Awesome website and even better podcasts! I can’t believe I hadn’t seen it earlier, I’ve been lurking around woodworking sites for about a year now. Great job, keep it up, I really appreciate your sharing of knowledge!
Thanks,
Joe
I’m a web suscriber of finewoodworking and this is the first time I see your video. It said episode 4 so I believe the others were already showed. Or are you like start war who started on another episode? joking..
I wll like to see more of these videos alongs with all that basics.I’m also new on woodworking but I’m learning a lot of people like you who do not have problems to share knoledge. thanks and keep it up…
Luis
I am engennier civil, I love to working wood,
Living in San Salvador, El Salvador, Centroamerica,
We do not have a shop specializing in Carpentry.
I Wanted to get Magazines for Internet to be able to happy.
This was a great film. I intend to use it in my woods classes. I found it (Thanks Fine Woodworking) at just the right time as This is what I am discussing in class. Keep up the good work.
Great stuff! I hope you are able to continue. Information such as you deliver is essential and often forgotten with all the background noise of information flying around. As in all education, the basics are essential – plus you make the learning enjoyable.
Great episode. I remember my first trip to a discount hardwood warehouse. I brought my 10 year old son, which of course made it impossible for me to ask for help, since as a dad and a self-proclaimed woodworker I am supposed to know everything. I couldn’t help but feel like the teenage kid at the counter was laughing at me when he rung me up after I wandered around for about and hour and half. Anyway, great stuff, and hope to see more!
Thank you for such a quick response! Do you get credit if we purchase from the “new or used available†books (books that aren’t actually shipped by Amazon)?
hi Manju. I should get credit for anything that goes through The Wood Whisperer front door. Either use my Amazon search feature or click on the link that says “Go to Amazon.com”.
Thanks for supporting the show!
Marc
The Wood Whisperer…excellent!
This podcast was awesome! I laughed out loud because it reminded me so much of my first trip to the lumberyard. Hilarious and informative at the same time.
Well done, Marc!
Regards,
Mike
“Northern Wood”
5 out of 4? …. hmmmm….I would have thought it would have been more….
great t-shirt and helpful ‘cast, I have been thru the same lumberyard experience…
I’ve working my way through all your videos, but I’m a novice, so here’s my lumber question.
What kind of lumber should someone who doesn’t have a jointer or a planer buy?
Am I correct in assuming I could get S2S boards (assuming it’s cheaper than S4S) and then give them a straight edge with a clamped guide and circular saw?
Thanks,
Beau
Hey Beau. Welcome to the site!
You are exactly right. I would say get the S2S and either use the router or a circular saw with a guide to create the first straight edge. You got it.
Great amount of information, I would have gone in blind without this, thanks a million, by the way, best site on the net.
Like your casts. Just reviewed the wood buying episode. Would like to know exactly how most dealers calculate the board feet. Am I expected to pay for the 6″ or 8″ or 12″ checks that I find on the end of many boards. Can I ask for just the good part or do we cover it all with the wood grade and I get to pay a lower price but I get all the defects that come with it. If the board is only 7.5″ wide do they round it up to 8 especially if it is still in it’s rough state. I know their are no set rules but knowing how most dealers price and calculate it would make me feel less like I’m being taken advantage of. Thanks for all the info.
Hey Daryn. Unfortunately I can’t really comment on what most dealers do. From my experience though, they are usually pretty good at measuring a fairly accurate width. They typically bunch the boards up and put their little fancy stick over it to get the number. So when you are buying several boards, the total error could be 1/4 off and it won’t be too big of a deal. As for checks and cracks on the end, I doubt you are going to make any friends by asking to not have to pay for the end of the board, lol. I totally agree that you shouldn’t have to, but I have never pushed the issue myself. As far as rounding up goes, I haven’t really noticed then taking advantage by doing that, so it hasn’t been much of an issue for me.
You do have to watch though, because a particularly crappy dealer may figure that no one will notice, since the calculation isn’t exactly obvious. An extra buck per customer adds up, right?
@ Sal: Thanks for that link! Exactly what I’ve been looking for! It’s tough finding sources of good lumber that won’t start sawing away limbs to pay for it too… or it was. Should be simple now!
Thanks Marc for the lesson in lumberyard lingo. I had a feeling the box stores were charging a premium for what I quickly discovered was horrible quality and selection, but I had no idea where else to look. Now I do, and even know what to look for. Learned something again. Can’t beat that.
Ha,ha,ha .. I love this one. I watched it on vacation a couple of weeks ago and laughed my head off. My first wood working class sent me to the lumber yard and I had the exact experience. Because I’m female, I sometimes wonder if incidents like this happen in “man world” cuz I’m a girl and assumed to not know anything. This was so funny because I realized it that’s not really reason and it happens to guys too! Tee Hee!
This is the video that got me hooked on TWW. I found this video just a week after having a similar experience on one of my first trips out to a lumber yard. Except I was getting the lecture from a burly mountain man carrying an ax, and I wasn’t about to ask his digits :D.
I am happy to share that my first experience at a local hardwood dealer was exactly the opposite. The guys were extremely nice, let me check out any of the stock I wanted, and were even willing to mill it for me at no additional charge. The prices per board foot (which I admit confused me a bit) were as competitive as (if not more competitive) than some of the best places online.
I’ve been there several times, and as I learn more about the different species of hardwood and what their particular uses are, I get a little more confident going back and asking very for very specific stock.
Now that I know better, I will never go back to the “big box” lumber sections…ever!
Thanks, Marc, for an excellent video.
Hey Marc, just looking at the picture of the video brought a question to mind. Is that the same reaction Nicole has when you ask for a raise in your allowance??? The other question was why is she not in more videos? And don’t use the old ‘she runs the camera line’ either…here comes your motocon ;)
Well, Nicole is like a fine wine in which one should savor….. :) And if you can figure out a way to get her to run the camera, let me know. :)
Wow…
I know this video was done in 2006, but I am only just now discovering it!
Thanks SO much for explaining this to me. You present this information in a way even I can understand (which is saying a lot!)
I can’t wait to discover the rest of the site (this is my first visit) and learn from an actual professional.
Can you recommend any online dealers?
http://bellforestproducts.com has been great for me.
Sill a little confused as to what grade of lumber you typically use for furniture. Found a somewhat local dealer that sells FAS, 1FACE, 1C, 2A,3A.
Most times I wind up with FAS. But if you can, take a look at the different grades first. You might be able to use the lower grades and save a few bucks.
great info iam a avid woodworker been working with wood for 40 yrs. my 1st trip to my local hard wood shop was very imtimidating. enjoy all your on line videos. keep they coming. thanks mark. ps. iam making my 3rd end grain cutting board 1st two were rock maple & jatoba my 3rd one is rock maple & purple heart.
Hi Marc,
Thank you for this Podcast it was full of desperately needed knowledge. I have a great hardwood store here in Des Moines, IA called the Woodsmith Store and they label things Quarter Sawn, I have never see anything labeled Rift Sawn, yet I have noticed different end grain patterns. All of the information you presented was a wealth of knowledge for me as I have found a love in lumber and want to learn all I can about it’s different species, characteristics, properties, etc. Especially the Exotics as I am using a lot of them in one of my product lines.
I saw your Podcast on the color changes in Exotics which was very informative and thank you for your recommendation on the Woodshop Widgit, it’s amazing.
Tell Nicole she’s Awesome by the way….
Thanks Again,
Marci
I recently moved to Northern Virginia and after much struggle found a hardwood dealer about an hour and a half away from my house. Out of curiosity and nostalgia I started looking for my old lumberyard and realized they’re essentially off the grid as such. If you happen to be living near Gulfport, MS, Dedeaux Clan Furniture has a fairly broad domestic and exotic selection and more red oak than you can shake a stick at in their lumberbarn. Hopefully this will save some poor, wood starved soul from having to order offline.