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	<title>Comments on: 63- Gadget Station (Pt. 6)</title>
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		<title>By: BarryO</title>
		<link>http://thewoodwhisperer.com/63-gadget-station-pt-6/#comment-35334</link>
		<dc:creator>BarryO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 03:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Marc, I guess we&#039;ll have to agree to disagree.

The case of the miter gauge with the built in stop is *not* the same as using the fence with the miter gauge.  With in the first case, the stop moves with the miter gauge, so the workpiece is not sliding against it.  And that is the risk with the second case; namely, that the workpiece wil &quot;catch&quot; as it is sliding on the fence, get a little cock-eyed, and then contact the back of the blade.  It is tricky to maintain the right amount and direction of pressure on both the miter gauge and the fence in order to avoid this.

If the piece is long enough front-to-back so that the fence would serve as a reference edge, just use the fence.  No need for the miter gauge.  If it isn&#039;t, then use the miter gauge itself to guide the work.  I&#039;ve seen David Marks use both at the same time on his show, and I wince when he does it.  Others have commented on it on Woodnet, also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Marc, I guess we&#8217;ll have to agree to disagree.</p>
<p>The case of the miter gauge with the built in stop is *not* the same as using the fence with the miter gauge.  With in the first case, the stop moves with the miter gauge, so the workpiece is not sliding against it.  And that is the risk with the second case; namely, that the workpiece wil &#8220;catch&#8221; as it is sliding on the fence, get a little cock-eyed, and then contact the back of the blade.  It is tricky to maintain the right amount and direction of pressure on both the miter gauge and the fence in order to avoid this.</p>
<p>If the piece is long enough front-to-back so that the fence would serve as a reference edge, just use the fence.  No need for the miter gauge.  If it isn&#8217;t, then use the miter gauge itself to guide the work.  I&#8217;ve seen David Marks use both at the same time on his show, and I wince when he does it.  Others have commented on it on Woodnet, also.</p>
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		<title>By: thewoodwhisperer</title>
		<link>http://thewoodwhisperer.com/63-gadget-station-pt-6/#comment-32656</link>
		<dc:creator>thewoodwhisperer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 05:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No problem Barry.  You are always entitled to your opinions on safe practices.  And no one should ever do ANYTHING they feel is risky or unsafe.  But I definitely disagree with you on this point.  Using the rip fence simultaneously with the miter gauge is indeed very risky when doing a through cut.  The off-cut can, and most likely will, get wedged between the fence and the blade.  But not so much with a non-through cut such as a dado.  The work piece is completely supported through the entire cut, holding the board securely perpendicular to the rip fence.  As far as I&#039;m concerned, this cut is no more dangerous than any normal cross-cut that you might make with your miter gauge.  In order for a kickback to occur while making this dado, the workpiece would have to twist out of position or move horizontally on the table.  Fortunately, we have the miter gauge and the rip fence helping us prevent that from happening.  

Another thing to consider.  Most after-market miter gauges come with very handy built-in stops.  How is making a cut using the built-in stop on the left of the blade any safer than the cut I did using the fence as a stop on the right?  

As an experienced operator who generally does pay close attention to safety practices, I stand behind the fact that this is a perfectly legitimate and safe procedure.  Well, let&#039;s just say its no more dangerous than any other tool in our shops.  A certain degree of risk is inevitable.  But I think many folks have it burned into their consciousness that miter gauge + rip fence = DANGER.  And you know what, in many cases that is true so its not a bad thing for that to be the case.  But in reality, there are exceptions to that rule, and I honestly feel that dado cuts are one of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No problem Barry.  You are always entitled to your opinions on safe practices.  And no one should ever do ANYTHING they feel is risky or unsafe.  But I definitely disagree with you on this point.  Using the rip fence simultaneously with the miter gauge is indeed very risky when doing a through cut.  The off-cut can, and most likely will, get wedged between the fence and the blade.  But not so much with a non-through cut such as a dado.  The work piece is completely supported through the entire cut, holding the board securely perpendicular to the rip fence.  As far as I&#8217;m concerned, this cut is no more dangerous than any normal cross-cut that you might make with your miter gauge.  In order for a kickback to occur while making this dado, the workpiece would have to twist out of position or move horizontally on the table.  Fortunately, we have the miter gauge and the rip fence helping us prevent that from happening.  </p>
<p>Another thing to consider.  Most after-market miter gauges come with very handy built-in stops.  How is making a cut using the built-in stop on the left of the blade any safer than the cut I did using the fence as a stop on the right?  </p>
<p>As an experienced operator who generally does pay close attention to safety practices, I stand behind the fact that this is a perfectly legitimate and safe procedure.  Well, let&#8217;s just say its no more dangerous than any other tool in our shops.  A certain degree of risk is inevitable.  But I think many folks have it burned into their consciousness that miter gauge + rip fence = DANGER.  And you know what, in many cases that is true so its not a bad thing for that to be the case.  But in reality, there are exceptions to that rule, and I honestly feel that dado cuts are one of them.</p>
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		<title>By: BarryO</title>
		<link>http://thewoodwhisperer.com/63-gadget-station-pt-6/#comment-32650</link>
		<dc:creator>BarryO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 02:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marc,

&#039;hate to do it, but I have to take issue with your use of the rip fence as an indexing surface when you were doing those dados.  Using the miter gauge and the rip fence simultaneously is very risky, especially when using a dado head.  An experienced operator with careful technique (e.g., you) can avoid a nasty kickback, but showing it in an instructional video, without a &quot;kids, don&#039;t try this at home&quot;, is not the wisest thing to do, IMHO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc,</p>
<p>&#8216;hate to do it, but I have to take issue with your use of the rip fence as an indexing surface when you were doing those dados.  Using the miter gauge and the rip fence simultaneously is very risky, especially when using a dado head.  An experienced operator with careful technique (e.g., you) can avoid a nasty kickback, but showing it in an instructional video, without a &#8220;kids, don&#8217;t try this at home&#8221;, is not the wisest thing to do, IMHO.</p>
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		<title>By: Jorge Monclova</title>
		<link>http://thewoodwhisperer.com/63-gadget-station-pt-6/#comment-32617</link>
		<dc:creator>Jorge Monclova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This episode is more like it.  Great episode Marc, looking forward to the next one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This episode is more like it.  Great episode Marc, looking forward to the next one.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was fantastic instruction, but then again what should we expect?

Neat Router plane procedure etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was fantastic instruction, but then again what should we expect?</p>
<p>Neat Router plane procedure etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Mark,

Good info, as always.
One thing, though : we use Soss  hinges pretty frequently in our
cabinet shop and Soss (tm) does make dedicated jigs for both
the mortise and relief. Might be worth looking into if you start using
these hinges with any regularity.
For occasional use, though, I like the jig you made. Thanks for showing the setup for it....it&#039;ll certainly help the wallet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Mark,</p>
<p>Good info, as always.<br />
One thing, though : we use Soss  hinges pretty frequently in our<br />
cabinet shop and Soss &#8482; does make dedicated jigs for both<br />
the mortise and relief. Might be worth looking into if you start using<br />
these hinges with any regularity.<br />
For occasional use, though, I like the jig you made. Thanks for showing the setup for it&#8230;.it&#8217;ll certainly help the wallet.</p>
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		<title>By: thewoodwhisperer</title>
		<link>http://thewoodwhisperer.com/63-gadget-station-pt-6/#comment-32400</link>
		<dc:creator>thewoodwhisperer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 06:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>haha.  Good observation sir.  That is simply a reprint of the original.  Fortunately, t-shirt companies have caught on to the fact that geeks like me haven&#039;t changed.  We just got older and have no problem going into public wearing that same shirts we wore 20-30 years ago.  lol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>haha.  Good observation sir.  That is simply a reprint of the original.  Fortunately, t-shirt companies have caught on to the fact that geeks like me haven&#8217;t changed.  We just got older and have no problem going into public wearing that same shirts we wore 20-30 years ago.  lol.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Hills</title>
		<link>http://thewoodwhisperer.com/63-gadget-station-pt-6/#comment-32398</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Hills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 05:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New question of the week:  how come you have a Star Wars t-shirt that still looks like its in reasonable shape?  anything of mine from that era has pretty much either composted in the back of a drawer or turned to cheesecloth in the washer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New question of the week:  how come you have a Star Wars t-shirt that still looks like its in reasonable shape?  anything of mine from that era has pretty much either composted in the back of a drawer or turned to cheesecloth in the washer.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://thewoodwhisperer.com/63-gadget-station-pt-6/#comment-32299</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again, this was a great episode. Personally, I have had really good success in mortising when using the combination of a centering alignment pin, brass set up blocks, and a spiral router bit. 

The centering alignment pin looks like a cone shaped router bit without a blade. Instead of using the actual router bit to set up my router, I use the centering pin. That allows me to concentrate on the center of the cut by aligning the point right on layout line. This can be done extremely accurately. The edge of the cut will take care of itself since it is determined by the size of the router bit. 

I don’t trust any of the gauges on the router. Instead, I use the brass set up blocks to set my routing depth. The blocks are machined to very precise tolerances and I can set my routing depth within a thousands of an inch.  

Finally, I use the spiral bits. True, they tend to be a more expensive, but they leave a cleaner cut with less vibration, are better suited for plunge cuts, and are more efficient in clearing out waste material.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again, this was a great episode. Personally, I have had really good success in mortising when using the combination of a centering alignment pin, brass set up blocks, and a spiral router bit. </p>
<p>The centering alignment pin looks like a cone shaped router bit without a blade. Instead of using the actual router bit to set up my router, I use the centering pin. That allows me to concentrate on the center of the cut by aligning the point right on layout line. This can be done extremely accurately. The edge of the cut will take care of itself since it is determined by the size of the router bit. </p>
<p>I don’t trust any of the gauges on the router. Instead, I use the brass set up blocks to set my routing depth. The blocks are machined to very precise tolerances and I can set my routing depth within a thousands of an inch.  </p>
<p>Finally, I use the spiral bits. True, they tend to be a more expensive, but they leave a cleaner cut with less vibration, are better suited for plunge cuts, and are more efficient in clearing out waste material.</p>
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		<title>By: JT</title>
		<link>http://thewoodwhisperer.com/63-gadget-station-pt-6/#comment-32266</link>
		<dc:creator>JT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 08:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marc,

   That&#039;s a pretty cool plane!  Never knew something like that was out there.  I also never thought of that type of inconsistency in dados as you always here of a &quot;true flat bottom cut.&quot;  Makes me think twice before I glue up now.  But for $150 for that particular plane, what other type of alternatives would there be to achieving the same results??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc,</p>
<p>   That&#8217;s a pretty cool plane!  Never knew something like that was out there.  I also never thought of that type of inconsistency in dados as you always here of a &#8220;true flat bottom cut.&#8221;  Makes me think twice before I glue up now.  But for $150 for that particular plane, what other type of alternatives would there be to achieving the same results??</p>
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